so I've been posting on the chaos Magick tribe and all the boyz on there totally got bent out of shape that I disagreed with them about the consequences of Chaos Magick. They seemed to think that there aren't any. I on the other hand think that any majikal action has a reaction and chaos is just as likely if not more so to turn around and bite your butt. I mean if you make a Tsunami of Chaos, it might just bring a little wave back that takes out your porch, who knows. Ok so continuing on, on of the guys actually said "stick to basket weaving" And when i called him on his misogyny he was all no no i like women and not as objects or conquests. My feeling whenever I posted on that tribe was that they liked grrlz fyne as long as they were newbies askin fora dvice, but should you disagree with the male status quo they are totally ready to jump on your ass, cuss @ you in private msg (which one of them did, separate from th misogynist commentator) and then accused ME of taking the cnversation into the personal *sigh* Am i taking this too serious? Or are they rilly a$$e$, I'm leaning toward the latter. I've decided not to post on that tribe anymore
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Re: Chaos Majik~ Y do boyz get their panties in a twist about grrlz with opinions on it?
Thu, June 3, 2004 - 11:17 AMCeilidh,
I can definitely see where you're coming from on this... one reason I've been hesitant to explore Chaos Magic much is because I know a handful of Chaos Magicians, most of whom pride themselves in taking after Aleister Crowley... which basically means they come off as complete a$$holes. The way they spoke to you there is completely unacceptable. I think that guy totally backtracked about his "basketweaving" comment; he backed himself into a corner on that one and came off as a total fool!
I'm sure there are magicians out there who are nice people... I just find many of them to be egomaniacs, definitely of a higher proportion than the general population. It's really too bad.
As for magic coming back to you, I cannot say anything about that with any certainty as I'm not a practiced magician... but I do believe in the concept that you basically get back what you give in most situations, especially in spiritual matters.
Hopefully this will be a more positive community for you =)
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Re: Chaos Majik~ Y do boyz get their panties in a twist about grrlz with opinions on it?
Fri, June 4, 2004 - 1:29 PMyou think it was because you are a grrrl? it has been my experience that many a chaote tries to put as much of the universe between its self and most things that would be considered fluffy or bunny ...read: those trying to prove themselves regardless of male, female or neither.
i have gone back and perused some of the said same threads. i understand that you might be upset that they might be playing the same ol' masonic mysogynistic game. i cant agree or disagree with that.
your current paradigm must come into question. what type of energies are you working with, surrounding yourself with, acting receptive toward and actively repressing.
are you a man hater? are there works that you have done that you would like acknowledged that they seem to ignore because you are a woman? is their work greater than your work? how would one measure?
basically one thing to remember when playing with chaotes of any gender is that respect is relative. it is earned, it is cultivated and treasured not to be thrown about. chaote is a dirty word to much of the magickal community, just as wiccans and white lighters are so much fluff and circumstance to chaotes.
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Re: Chaos Majik~ Y do boyz get their panties in a twist about grrlz with opinions on it?
Sat, June 5, 2004 - 12:02 AMNo actually I'm married to a guy, a male Chaos magician, actually, see and the difference is while you're asking me these questions you are doing it in a respectful tone, they were just shit-talking cuz i dared disagree. My major argument was that they were generalizing a concept to belong to one specific group w/ out evidence to back it up. I just disagree that you can curse people who dont deserve it will-nilly or cause suffering unjustified and expect no recompense. That's just not logical in my Universe. I personally fudge with faerie majik, but there's alot of overlap you see between faerie work and chaos, in fact I know a number of faeries that are quite adept in chaos work. I dont give a rats ass about their respecting me personally or about whether my work has more merit, etc. , but when they come off as blatantly misogynistic and full of shit it's ridiculous. I just got so frustrated about "wiccan hippy shit" line and it's like hello it's not from this that or the other it's from here here and here. and to top it off i got some serious nasty msg in my mailbox, it's like give me a fukn break. You dont have better things to do than cuss @ me cuz I said majik has consequences/ Puh-lease (channeling my inner valley-grrl)
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Re: Chaos Majik~ Y do boyz get their panties in a twist about grrlz with opinions on it?
Thu, August 12, 2004 - 3:25 PMCeilidh,
In the above and several other posts you've written here, you're generalizing about men the same way you object to them making generalizations about you/women. You are being as sexist and hateful as any misogynistic man.
Yeah, some men are jerks. Some women are too. I support women (and men) having single-gender communities to discuss issues that pertain to us in a safe and comfortable place with people who understand. I don't support this "us" and "them" mentality that perpetuates sexist stereotypes. -
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Re: Chaos Majik~ Y do boyz get their panties in a twist about grrlz with opinions on it?
Mon, August 23, 2004 - 1:56 PMNo, she isn't. She's responding to a common thread in her experience, and one that many other women have noted as well. Never has C, in any of her posts that I've ever read, taken a stance on men as an entire sex, but rather on certain kinds of behavior traits that do seem to mainly pop up in men.
If you support single-sex communities, then it wouldn't seem terribly logical to not support their use as a safe-haven in which one sex can talk about the other without this exact kind of accusation.
The very existance of an exclusive space recognizes that there's an "us" and a "them"...the trick is what you do with it. It just sounds to me like C is trying to just vent among those she knows will understand.
Now, had she said something like, "OMG...these boys treat women like they know nothing when it' sthe MEN that know nothing!" I would have been right there with you. IMHO, mika, you're being overly-sensitive and definitely overly politically correct.
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